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Tuesday, 29 September 2009 16:23

As covered in articles in this website and others, Hubbard FORBADE the solicitation of direct donations. Our writers have exposed the reasons why David Miscavige intentionally set up entitles directed to bypass the normal principles of exchange, and seeking straight nonrefundable donations from parishioners instead of paying for books, training and processing which since 1950 has always been 100% refundable. 

Like a crack junkie, Miscavige can't get enough of that FREE money -- money he has squandered and utterly wasted to the tune of $300 or $400 MILLION. The IAS, the "Super Power Project," and "Ideal Orgs" not to mention 10% tithes from Scientologist-owned businesses for which WISE delivers virtually zero exchange, and many more such arrangements that have flourished under the dirty hands of David Miscavige... such are utterly illegal and degrade the reputation of Scientology.

LRH finance policy tells Scientologists never to go into debt to purchase anything. In the early 1980s, membership in the Church cost a mere pittance. Why? Because Hubbard wanted Scientologists to use their resources to get themselves and their families up The Bridge. The point wasn't to achieve a "status" it was to achieve higher levels of spiritual freedom and wisdom. And if you can show me some parasite who has corrupted and perverted even that lofty purpose, then I can show you the classic example of TOTAL FAILURE.  

The purpose of organizations was to sell and deliver materials and service and to get in people to sell and deliver to.

What should be done with the money which has been collected so far, provided Miscavige doesn't burn it all before he is caught and sent to jail?

What should we do about the illegal practices of bilking Scientologists for free money in the absence of any exchange?

-- Written by Thoughtful

 

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+3 # RJ 2009-09-30 07:44
Well number one we should finance the project to make the Tech available to anyone who asks for it.

Sell off these "Ideal Orgs" and get smaller quarters until actual expansion i.e. public forces the org into bigger quarters, while using the money to pay staff a decent living wage until the income of the org alone can achieve that objective.

We should get rid of the IAS and reincorporate HASI as the membership make them associate, professional and lifetime like it says in policy. Also we should eliminate IHELP and WISE and put these activities back under Div 6 where they belong.

We should reinstitute the Refund Policy for any who are dissatisfied with any service, so we don't give another reason for the haters to hate us.
 
 
# Maria 2009-10-12 22:34
Part of the reason for these various corporations is that they come under different IRS rules in the U.S. The WISE college, for example, is strictly secular, is accredited and should be left on its own as an educational facility. It really is an educational facility.

WISE memberships are another matter entirely. The problem comes about in civil torts on interference with business. It is unwise, legally to tie WISE to the Church proper.

Legal matters must be consulted in all this, otherwise you open up the various organizations to taxation and legal issues that you can't see unless you are a corporate, criminal, and non-profit attorney.

Church membership fees do belong in the province of the Church.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2009-10-04 03:40
At he following website is the 'official' position of the CofS on these 'pure donations':http://www.scientology.org/religion/catechism/pg028.html.

Note: this aligns with official Hubbard policy for the church.

So, if the above website statement is valid, then how come there are such pressures on public Scientologists to make 'pure donations'?

The duress in present time is so great to make these donations, if one even protests it, and is in good standing with the church, then one is given an HCO summons, which they must respond to or be given a Committee of Evidence and face expulsion from the church. That's to say nothing about whether they donate or not.

Now, even objecting to a corruption of the church's publicly stated denial of such pure donations, results in duress, ostracism and denial of one's right to practice an unadulterated Scientology.

The above website contradicts the current reality of David Miscavige's CoS. It would help to make this even more real by posting LRH's words, his statements that the official CoS website is portraying.
 
 
# lunamoth 2010-01-28 11:04
Well, first of all, who's spending the money?
We are not the church of scientology, so how do we come to have control of the money? Fill in that missing piece in this hypothetical and we can go from there.

Secondly, ANY major action, whether it's spending/reimbursing/banking large sums of money,
or anything else, would be determined by what condition you're applying.

So in your hypothetical scenario above, who are we, and what condtition are we in?
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-01-28 12:12
Hi lunamoth, I think the Anonymous poster was actually supporting our position. He's saying the Church's own official position is being violated and people are being threatened if they don't make donations. Am I missing something?
 
 
# Guest 2010-01-29 01:50
Thoughtful,

I agree with Anonymous and was actually responding to the last sentence of the article, "What should we do with the money..." I wasn't even irritated when writing it, though it I have to say it certainly reads that way. In fact, I agree with the article, but it looks like I answered a question not even being put forward for discussion!

lunamoth






 
 
# Alice 2010-02-27 12:46
Dear Thoughtful,
My suggestion what to do with the money once the question ceases to be hypothetical. (Could be also, what to demand is to be done with this money):
Compare the total amount given to the total amount still existent. If for example 80% of it are still there, offer each of the donnators that he is credited exchange for 80% of the amount he gave. If he/she has statet his/her wishes, then the actual money is transferred to the org that does the delivery.
In this way we could get in some exchange without going broke.
Love
Alice
 
 
# Axiom 38 2010-05-25 18:38
I believe that were the Church to reorganize under an ethical and on source management group the bulk if not all of the ill gotten money would probably be needed to clean up DM's mess.
Refunds,repayments,lawsuit costs, legal fees etc. Any monies left over should probably be used for a planetary amends project and to help ex sea org members to get back on their feet.especially the seniors.
The church can start over with smaller quarters and as stated by others, future growth and accumulation of properties would be done standardly with exchange fully in.
I would have no problem with the Church starting over as an entirely new entity from scratch.In fact it may be only and best way to get fully back on source.
 

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