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Friday, 12 March 2010 12:40

30% of OTs have cancer and Tommy Davis is covering it up?

For those who continue to justify the criminal actions of David Miscavige... like Marion Pouw, Mike Sutter and Hansuli Stahli... for the cowards who stand well back from the fray, cloaked in ignorance, strangers to honor... for the poster child of lies, Tommy Davis... for the broken graduates of Reverse Scientology -- Marc Yager, Guillaume Lesevre, etc... and for the mental midgets who write pathetic attempts to third party or black PR whistle blowers... for those who continue to follow DM for selfish reasons... this article is for you.

Recently Mike Sutter and Hansuli Stahli showed an independent Scientologists a couple of Div 6 stats which were normal-trending. In so many words, Mike and Hansuli suggested that the Church as a whole was therefore in the condition of Normal, so independent Scientologists should "lighten up" on them and on David Miscavige since per the condition of Normal, "ethics are mild."
They also said, "David Miscavige IS Scientology."

Similarly, Tommy Davis has continually beat the drum to excuse any "flaws" of David Miscavige with "explosive expansion" -- measured only in terms of real estate. In other words, "David Miscavige is not guilty by reason of expansion."

Okaaay... notwithstanding that the claimed "expansion" is a falsehood -- since LRH said Scientology had nothing to do with real estate (genuine expansion would be measured in terms of auditors and clears made) -- "expansion" does not justify crimes! So their condition is not "Normal" -- it's TREASON, at best.

As a comparative, let's put this into another form: A serial rapist suspected of murder goes up before the jury. His lawyer, Tommy Davis, tells the court "My client is not guilty. His company has expanded explosively and is 5 times bigger than what it was only 10 years ago!" In what crazy universe does the acquisition of real estate justify a felony?

"There are two stable data which anyone has to have, understand and know are true in order to obtain results in handling the person connected to suppressives. These data are:

"1. That all illness in greater or lesser degree and all foul-ups stem directly and only from a PTS condition.

"2. That getting rid of the condition requires three basic actions: (A) Discover; (B) Handle or (C) Disconnect." - LRH

I recently spoke to a Class IX GAT C/S who is no longer a Scientologist who told me about the incredible numbers of OTs who had died of cancer -- not from doing OT levels, but from the inevitable PTS condition that results from being connected to truly suppressive entities: DM and his subverted groups. I also saw with my own eyes the surprising number of people who got cancer and other maladies at the Int base.

Now we have it from an ex-Solo NOTs D of P (Director of Processing) in Europe, Michael Angelo. According to his figures circa 2006, somewhere close to 30% of OTs have cancer. That is a result of the toxic environment created by David Miscavige that envelops Scientology like a cloud of poison gas: gross out-tech, gross misapplication of ethics, gross financial irregularities -- all implemented by David Miscavige.

Anyone who would condone this situation has blood on their hands, their pants and spattered across their faces. They've got blood in their hair and blood in their noses.

I'm sorry, but murder does not equate to a Normal condition -- Tommy Davis, Mike Sutter, Marion Pouw and Hansuli Stahli -- I don't care how many paper graphs you hold up in your savior's defense. Try explaining that to the families of the Scientologists who have died in between out-Tech six-month checks (cash cow #1) on Solo NOTs.

Congratulations Tommy, Jessica, Marion, Mike, Hansuli, Marc, Guillaume and all the wretched rest. You set out to "clear the planet" and have wound up as murderers. Every single one of you is a monument to stupidity, irresponsibility, and dishonor.

The difference between independent Scientologists and you is unlike you, we actually care about people. And we don't stand idly by while innocent people are being betrayed and murdered. So in that regard, in this new religion that creates death I guess Mike and Hansuli are right: that IS David Miscavige. Death and cancer IS David Miscavige.

Following is Michael Angelo's posting. I don't know him. But his figures sound accurate to me.

If Tommy Davis cares to dispute these figures, let him publish the names of all OTs who have died of cancer since 1982.

Perhaps ex-tech terminals out there will come forward and give what figures they knew of.

It isn't Anonymous and ex-staff who are killing Scientology, it is the suppression of David Miscavige and his cowed and ill associates. - Thoughtful

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Hello! This thread is to answer Tommy Davis’s glibness.

I met Tommy during my second EPF in the Sea Org (actually a 2 months Boot Camp type of EPF), he was eating beans and rice every day, washing our clothes, doing the worst MEST work you can imagine, doing pumps up for hours...because he fucked up a "VIP" cycle.

At that time he wasn’t so proud to be a Sea Org Member, I can tell you.

Now, let’s talk about cancer and suicide on Solo Nots. Here are some data for you guys.

There is a tag status for each Solo Nots auditor:

Green tag: audit 4 to 6 sessions daily and comes on time for his 6 months check.

Grey tag: audit less than 4 sessions daily and doesn't come on time for his 6 month check.

Orange tag: Not allowed to solo audit because of out ethics situation.

Purple tag: Not allowed to audit because of illness or sickness.

Black tag: Disaffected with the church.

See the way it works? One starts the level with a Green tag then, depending on his "ability to be Cause over Life" one keeps his Green tag or, follow the dwindling spiral to Black tag.

There are about 5,300 Solo Nots Auditors worldwide and about(depending on their current status):

1,000 Green tags
1,100 Grey tags
900 Orange tags
800 Purple tags
1,500 Black tags

The 10,000 on Solo Nots is just a dream. There is only 1,000 of them auditing regularly.

I was Solo Nots D of P Europe and i personally met the following Solo Nots Auditors. They were all with advanced cancer:

• Roberto B. – Italy
• Antonella B. – Italy
• Beppe G. – Italy
• Lisa B. – Italy
• Sonia B. – Italy
• Pierluigi G. – Italy
• Maria M. – Italy
• Bernard C. – Switzerland
• Jo R. - Switzerland
• Tasa D. – France
• Helene M. – France

There is more, but I do not remember their names.

Before I blew the Sea Org in November 2006,two of them died of committed suicide; Jo R. and Beppe G.

I don’t know if the other ones are still alive.

The majority of the 800 Purple tags and 1,500 Black tags are with cancer.

The majority of the 900 Orange tags committed financial irregularities to be able to “pay for services and/or donations” to the Cult.

Rex Fowler is a typical Orange tag product of the Cult.

You all know the PTS/SP tech “theory”, right?

How many of them had to disconnect from their family and friends because they where the ”SP”?

Why, after an entire bridge people are still sick, ill, criminal, commit suicide, etc..?

Maybe they didn’t find the real SP yet..... or, if they did, they invalidated the read.

At one point every body on Solo Nots had to do or re do the PTS/SP Course GAT.

And the SNR C/S FSO Richard Reiss (pushed by RTC, of course) was constantly harrassing the Solo Nots C/S "because they didn't apply the PTS tech at 100%" during their C/Sing.

Well, a cancerous tumor is not detectable by a SN C/S as far as i know!

I can attest! Beppe G. had a cancerous tumor the size of an egg in his brain while at Flag to "Attest to OT7"! I went with him to the Clearwater Hospital. He was sent back to Italy right away by RTC....

Imagine the Flap if Beppe died in the middle of the Solo Nots HGC!

These data should be widely disseminated. It’ s not a joke. These guys are really in danger.

Michel.

 

Comments   

 
+1 # War and Peace 2010-03-12 16:57
Enid Byrne, a 35 year veteran died of Cancer mid OT 5 about 3-4 years ago. She was AOLA registrar for some 30 years.

Gretchen Schwartz died of a brain tumor. She was NOTS case level ~~40 year Registrar for FSO.

Ruthie Silverman 32 years ASHO registrar died of lung cancer.

It is odd that they were all registrars.

In all 3 above cases, they were heavy smokers as is David Miscavige and Ray Mithoff and others at INT BASE.
 
 
+1 # Symbiote 2010-03-12 18:23
Neither Enid nor Gretchen smoked. Enid died of cancer although I was told Gretchen died of a heart condition.
You can add Gene Denk (LRH's doctor) to the cancer rolls. Died of throat cancer.
Bradlee Sweigart died of cancer this past year. His wife Kathy, currently auditing on solo nots was quite obsessive on the subject of cancer (neurotic might be more accurate) while vigorously defending Tommy and DM and the current scene. I found that odd because frankly, I started noticing people looking like they had aged 10 years after getting on solo nots, as well as the death rate with just the people I knew or knew of, back in the 90's...to be outside the statistical norm for the general population...let alone the theoretically superior stats you'd expect of people who had achieved "cause over life"???
For staff: my guess is poor medical care plus squirrel tech.
For public: squirrel tech...
Definitely something is going on.
Symbiote
 
 
# FOS 2010-03-14 22:22
Let me help set the record straight.

Enid smoked a LONG time ago. For the last 10 or so years of her life (I knew her well) she didn't. I know because I used to smoke and she told me she used to. For the last few years she ate health food and occasionally a potato from Wendy's (yep the one right behind CLO).

Gene had throat cancer when he died but what actually killed him was Pneumonia. This from a regular patient and someone close to him.

I didn't know Gretchen personally though I saw her around the base a lot. Ruthie smoked like a ... volcano. Constantly. I remember in the earlier days going into those reg offices and she'd be sitting there smoking and you could hardly see through the room at times. Before the "no smoking in buildings" law.

My observation is that many Scientologists, not just Sea Org get a little theetie wheetie about not having to take care of the body because they are "immortal spiritual beings" who are or can be "cause over MEST" ... my argument is "great, but you HAVE a body and it follows some rules and LRH never said just ignore these things."
 
 
+2 # Anymous 2010-03-12 20:05
"Any datum is as valuable as it has been evaluated"
Datum: David Miscavage is insane.
Clear the word "insane" in your own dictionary.
If you can apply the PTS tech, it really might do you some good. I disconected from the church (really David Miscavage) 30 years ago. The above article explains why.
 
 
+1 # Observer 2010-03-12 21:00
Observation:

David Rousso - was LRH messenger, last post in ITO died of cancer a few years back.

Alan Hubbard - used to be in CC Int and later was the CO Base Crew FLO, died of a brain tumor.

Tony Whitington - used to be CO FOLO WUS, later posted in FLO died a few years ago of stomach cancer.

Marcy Rogers - (I think that's the name) was long term telex operator at External Comm FLO died in the 90s of cancer

Eric Knauerhause - was an exec at the Flag Bureaux died of cancer a few years ago.

Jill Graham - Universe Corps staff died on Pac RPF of cancer

There was another person from WISE International (I can't remember the name but clearly remember the loss of hair from Chemotherapy) died rather quickly while on MLO lines.

Hiroko - Japanese translator, died of cancer.

Ex ED Tokyo - died of cancer.

Judy Fergusson had MS. (used to be in CMO Pac) I don't know her current state.

Uwe Stuckenbrock used to be security Chief international, was sent to the RPF even tough had MS and he died on the RPF.

(the above were all as far as I know people who were on their OT levels)
 
 
+1 # Thoughtful 2010-03-12 21:52
Stacy Moxon - committed suicide at the Int base (an inside source reported that Marion Pouw destroyed the suicide note)

Joe Harrington - Died in a motorcycle accident after working late on DM's new RTC building.

Brook Shackleton - Gold staff. Died of brain tumor.

Judy (forgot her last name) of CMU died about 1996 of cancer. We were not allowed to hold a funeral service for her. She told the MLO that she got cancer because she wanted to escape the suppression.

Misha Priv - Survived a heart attack. After he left the Church and disconnected from DM, his heart condition vanished.

There are many, many more.
 
 
# John Doe 2010-03-14 10:48
Was is Joe Harrison, or Joe Harrington?
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-03-14 16:01
Yes, it was Joe Harrison. Gray hair, quiet, very calm. A professional carpenter who mainly worked in the PAC Mill. I was both outraged and very saddened when David Miscavige's excesses cost Joe lost his life. Joe was a friend of mine.
 
 
# John Doe 2010-03-14 16:28
Yes, I was saddened to hear of his death and how he died. Joe and I started out in the SO at the same time and were on the EPF together many years ago.
 
 
# George 2010-08-01 10:55
Thank you for this really vital data. It appears to me that no one on "OT VII" in the C of M has really attained that level. They are all by-passed cases. Yes, there is lots and lots of suppression where there is supposed to be be no suppression at all. That is certainly enough to account for a lot of sick people and such bizzare outpoints as suicides and psychosis among people who are supposed to be higher level
and the sanest of the sane.
I had no idea about the tag system for people on OT VII and had wondered about what was really going on. The stat of 5,000+ people either auditing on or having completed OT VII appears to be a very false stat. I haven't received any glowing e-mails lately about how we are getting increasingly close to reaching 10,000, which could be because even the false stat is now showing a decline. That's pretty hard to do when even the "black tags" are included in the statistic.
 
 
# Lester 2010-03-15 13:47
I knew Eric Knauerhause very well since about 1973. Shortly after entering the U.S. Airforce as an officer he was diagnosed with cancer. I do not recall the type of cancer but it was in remission after a short treatment. The doctors who treated Eric told him that though he was in remission the cancer would come back at some point but they could not tell him when. Eric was imediately mustered out of the military due to the cancer diagnosis with the prognosis of untreatable with 100% mortality. Due to the diagnosis Eric recieved a small pension for life from the Government in the form of a monthly check. Shortly after being diagnosed and before seperating from the military Eric found Scientology through COSMOD Davis and eventually he ended up at the Sacramento Org. After some auditing and training, Eric went to an Oncologist who could not detect any cancer but would not declare Eric cancer free. Eric tried to give his pension back to the government claiming he did not have the disease but the U.S. Govt. denied his request and continued to send the monthly checks. Eric then joined the S.O. and came back to the Sac Org as the Keeper of the Tech (KOT). The last time I saw and spoke to Eric was in late '83 or early '84 he was on the RPF at flag and I was public. Though he was on the RPF he did stop and speak with me. In the 15 years I knew Eric I do not recall him ever showing signs of illness. Eric was a very good person and a fine friend. My suspect if he died of cancer it was the same illness he had when he first became involved in Scientology and not something he contracted since joining. Lester
 
 
# Concerned in LA 2010-04-07 08:06
I knew Allen Hubbert -- he seemed healthy, happy and very much alive. One day, I called him in approx. 2000 (I will have to verify the date) and found that he was "dead!" Died of a brain tumor. The person who told me (at the Ivar/Hwd building) didn't seem to be sad in the least. This has haunted me for nearly a decade.
 
 
+1 # windhorse 2010-03-12 23:14
Lindy Dunkinson - OT VIII -- field auditor, sister of Bruce Hines (Int staff not allowed to come see his sister or attend her funeral. Now declared and disconnected from his nieces who never forgave him for his lack of attendance with his sister's illness. Unbeknownst to them was he was held prisoner at Int)

Virgil Wilhite -- collector and seller of LRH autographed works, found LRH tapes all over the country, turned them over to archives. Found pulps. DIed of leukemia. OT VII -- tremendous debt.

Betty Filisky - first OT VII completion
 
 
+1 # RJ 2010-03-13 02:50
Let us not forget Mary Sue Hubbard, who died of cancer in 2002.

Yet not a word of her passing, not even a eulogy, from the "Official" "Government Approved" "Church of Scientology".

Personally, I think the corruption goes beyond Miscavige. He just exemplifies it.

And whether he is directly responsible for all these deaths....

I wouldn't give the corrupt little weasel that much cause.

The fact for sure is that there has been gross out tech perpetrated.

Getting Miscavige off the lines would be a beginning, but only a beginning.

One thing's for sure the little cretin isn't Scientology!

Anyone who says or thinks that must be well below treason and in confusion.

Now on the brighter side!

Today's Ron's birthday.

So on that happy note.

I wish you all a good night.
 
 
+1 # Fancy 2010-03-13 04:08
Add to the list.

Ellie Perkins. Son Jeremy stabbed her 77 Times. I knew him and he did not show any such instability. I heard he went to the ship for a service and after that he started to show instability. Church lied that Jeremy was a Scientologist. Big flap here about it. She was a good being.

Marie Bolt - Car accident death.

There was an OT I forget her name but she died in the 90's with cancer. Broke her leg and found cancer.

Mary Lou Reilly - died on OT levels - I believe it was cancer due to my last comm with her. She refused any treatment from docs and did natural treatments.

I had it too but I attribute it to Aspartame and I did my treatment and survive and I did not do the OT levels but I was very PTS.

There may be more but as I am not connected to the org any more I don't know. I find a lot of the data via the web.
 
 
+2 # MostlyLurker 2010-03-13 05:21
Mary Sue Hubbard died of breast cancer in 2002, wasn't she on NOTs, and controlled 24/7 by two Miscavige's staff?

Also:
"... a lot of my friends and acquaintances who did the OT levels had died relatively young. Giuliano Cocchetti had had a stroke just after having attested OT 8, then he committed suicide. Daniele Pozzebon, OT 8, had died of cancer in a few months, and his son, an OT 4, had committed suicide just after his father died. Enza Guzzo, OT8, had died of cancer. Paolo Meini, OT 8, had felt ill during a session, and had died. Luigi, a restaurant owner in Brescia and OT 8, had died of a heart attack. I felt, I had a perception, that the next one would be me, and I didn't want to die." Ilkido,OT8 www.holysmoke.org/cos/italian-ot8-speaks.htm
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-04-21 15:20
From what I've seen, the risk of illness is only for those people who neglect to either "handle" or "disconnect" from the church. I hate to say the Sea Org is a suppressive group, but since they've been subverted to robotically following only "command intention" instead of following LRH's intention, through enforcement of out-tech actions (such as illegal six-month checks which interrupt OTs in the no interference zone, not to mention draining their bank accounts at an alarming rate of $32K/year), through off-policy handlings (like forcing parishioners to donate huge sums to Idle Orgs and SuperPower, the IAS -- all totally off policy), plus through squirrel ethics handlings that enforce wrong conditions, the Sea Org has taken on a suppressive valence. Tommy Davis is the spokesperson for the Church and also for the Sea Org, and he is forwarding a suppressive agenda.

Another suppressive influence is just the destruction caused to Scientology's worldwide reputation. If you are known as a Scientologist, that makes you look really bad -- which is in itself suppressive.

In my case, I decided to both disconnect and handle.

But if you are still connected to that bunch, you should definitely consider protecting your health.

In Misha Priv's videos I posted last week he mentions he stayed in the Sea Org until he had a heart attack. Then left. 3 or 4 years later, he went to the doctor and the doc could find no evidence that he ever had a heart condition.

The danger is in remaining connected without handling to put you at cause.

Also, as T Paine explained, there is a horrendous situation of OTs, which by definition must increase their responsibility -- but can't, because if they say anything about the illegal actions going on, they will be thrown out of the Church. So they have to bury their integrity. I know how destructive that is. To me, that alone would probably be enough to cause them to die. Must speak out to maintain integrity and KRC, but can't speak out since they will lose everything if they do.

That's a cancer machine, right there. What we are doing with this website and others, is enabling people to communicate and take back their integrity. I would expect that would have a huge impact on one's improved health.

People who remain connected to that entity are gambling with their lives IMHO. I know, I been there and got the T-shirt.
 
 
# Boyd H 2010-03-13 06:48
Fancy Jeremy was somewhat unstable but then sent to a psych hospital where they turn neurosis into raging psychosis all the time.

The crime happened after that, so don't paint a certain picture which isn't true please. I knew him from a visit to the CLO, he was noticeably uncomfortable in his own skin back then, years before this. In fact I remember people commenting that something was wrong with him at the time so he wasn't a normal kid.

This case sounds very much like a pain drug hypnosis situation and not Scientology's fault. Big pharma tried to spin it that Jeremy needed psych drugs because they want to get all kids on psych drugs. He probably got PDH'd the first time in the hospital because they saw his profile made him a good candidate.
 
 
# Fancy 2010-03-13 16:35
I knew him since a child, my mom used to baby sit them when they were small so I kind of know them.

By my reports I got he went to flag first then later might have been sent to a shrink center.

I know he got into trouble as I was in the org when he did. It was hush hush so I did not know a lot about that.

I am saying out tech did it or out whatever as I am not trained so I can't say exactly what. I am not going to argue it.

What you are saying is conspiracy theory as there is no proof it. Show me the proof. A link proving he was PDH.

I worked with him on my M1 course a few years before he did the deed. I did not see much instability in him but I did note he was attached to his parents a great deal. As I was in some ways and yet I did not go off the wall like he did.

He loved the drums had had very long hair. When he want to join the SO in Big Blue he came back with a cleaner look.

So I grant he could have been neurotic but heck I am neurotic and I did not go doing anyone in and I been in the church.

I have spoken to a social worker and in NY state they can't force you to take the drugs. It is illegal so I highly doubt your unproven speculation. I can speculate he was PDH at Flag to send him over the rainbow too. I can't prove it. See my point.

The church screwed up big time here and that is where I put a lot of blame. It does not matter if he did not get reverse auditing the church still screwed up and then tried to lie out of it.
 
 
+1 # nina bobi 2010-03-13 09:00
this people were public.

Mario Villareal commited suicide he was on solo nots

Bernando Lan died of cancer he was for 2d time on solo nots

Mario Hernandez died of cancer he was on solo nots

Carlos Becerra was murdered in mexico just few days he finished his 6 months check.

jose luis galicia he had prostate cancer, heart condition and he was 0t8

Gabriela I dont remember her last name she died from cancer she was on solo nots

Paty barragan she died of cancer she was on otv

Trina from denmark died from cancer she was on solo nots.

Camilo Child attemped suicide few months after he got a review at flag he is Otv

there are many more
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-03-15 09:43
Mario committed suicide? Wasn't he an older gentleman from Mexico?

Jose Luis Galicia -- I knew him also. How old was he?
 
 
# nina bobi 2010-03-15 21:09
yes Mario was an older man he commited suicide
Jose Luis Galicia is recovered and he is living in mexico.
 
 
+1 # Boyd H 2010-03-13 09:06
Trin what you do is go to FriendsofLRH.org, my profile on this site where I relay info from Int in Los Angeles as of November, look at attestations from Steve Hall, Marty, Dan Koon, Lucy and Hydn James, Anne Woodward, Amy Scobee, many many more. OSA won't show me these div 6 stats that's for sure because...

I've continually asked them for stats, the simple solution now that they've shown willingness to show the stats is to simply tell us all about them. If there's nothing to hide then what's the problem? Is it because they need to take advantage of someone's ignorance in a 3 on 1 pressure-fest where the truth can be hidden? They know I'd tear apart their Thetans 10 on 1 with the truth and they couldn't get away with it.

Since you're apparently aware of the details of this then provide the full report.

1. What stats and how far back?

2. When asked what's the problem with getting the full picture with all the stats considering they've shown willingness to show stats, what is their answer? Two stats followed by hours of duress and bit and piece good news is obviously a whitewash so is this confirmation of the stats being down date coincident and only after DM took over and continuing into PT? If it's not then simply prove it. They know VERY WELL that simply confirming what they assert regarding expansion would utterly CRUSH disagreement, and I've pointed that out for 6 months. They haven't taken this route. What do you think of that?

3. What are the actual figures? A normal in a non-E range is what condition? What does this mean in terms of Ideal orgs showing promise for the future to the point where the program is justified to continue in light of Breanna (STO ITO) confirming "Buffalo org is a flap" and the Ideal org program as a whole isn't a success by any means up to this point?

4. Is my breakdown of books and tapes sold, and my breakdown of people onto services, (both stats I reference from DM's website) foolproof evidence of gross false reporting? These breakdowns can be found on Marty's site. What's needed is for someone to play along with Hans and OSA and get the information they're presenting then let us know about it. So someone do that please. SOMETHING is forcing them to sneak around to reveal this breathtaking new info. Trin what do you think that might be? Maybe that any trained manager can dissect their presentation for lies in their sleep?


In summary, we've established Miscavige is willing to show the stats. Please show the stats then. What's the problem. Thanks Trin for bringing this to light, I'm going to go about shining a floodlight on it soon.
 
 
# Boyd H 2010-03-13 20:31
Ok thanks for clarifying.
 
 
# Boyd H 2010-03-14 03:49
Trin, thanks for the info.
 
 
+1 # Stanley 2010-03-14 03:58
Another one to add to the list, Claire Reppen a long time CL XII auditor who was busted by dear leader to the RPF during the GAT evolution, died of Breast Cancer in Aug 2001.
 
 
# Flourish 2010-03-15 03:41
Also RIP:

Gene Juss, Flag Accoms Reg, 2005,cancer
Melanie Bruemmer Snr C/S SFOF, I/P SOLO Nots, 1989 cancer
Mariette Dryer, Universe Corp NOTS Auditor, 1992 cancer.
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-03-15 09:54
I knew Gene Juss. Didn't know he had died. I put him through his OT III when I was Solo I/C FSO. He was a nice guy, but I always thought that regging Scientologists for expensive accommodations was highly out ethics. The practice created huge PTPs for some of my public trying to get through their OT levels. Accommodations and even food at Flag was WAY overpriced and that to me was utterly off purpose.
 
 
+1 # Maria 2010-03-14 09:31
I have reason to believe that SNR C/S FSO Richard Reiss is aware of the out-tech going on at Flag. He knows that the tech applied there is a charade, and people are dying right and left of his CSing.
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-03-14 16:06
Wow, interesting... can you elaborate at all?
 
 
+2 # ButterflyChaser 2010-03-14 11:31
My mother passed away three years ago from cancer. She was New OTV and was only in her mid-60's. She was a very beautiful, active, and vivacious artist.

She was under tremendous pressure to start her next levels at FLAG and was called and harassed daily - sometimes multiple times. It's ironic that Gretchen Schwartz also died as she was one of the main "perps" in this scene.

The only time I saw my mother cry during her whole two-year ordeal was when she talked about how she felt her cancer was caused by the constant stress laid on her by the church. Whether this is "true" or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that an OT went to her grave believing that her church killed her.

Another OTIV who died of breast cancer a few months ago was Linda Quay.

I also have two friends currently with breast cancer. One is an OTVIII and the other is a long time Scientologist who is not OT. She is on her second bout with breast cancer.

I also heard about a guy named Chuck (he had a Polish sounding last name. I think it started with a K) who died about a month ago. He had just completed KTL and LOC out here in L.A. and
got into a fatal car crash on his way back to Florida.

Nice "E.P.". I guess his life got "re-oriented" allright!

Tragic.
 
 
-1 # Thoughtful 2010-03-14 16:54
Here's another crazy fact:

While trying to get through my "A to E" (since David Miscavige had me declared even though I did not blow, but routed out standardly from Int) I started getting sick -- colds, flu, strep throat -- several times a year despite having done a very extensive PTS Rundown twice, and the PTS-SP Course three times. I know the tech.

Then, although I had never been involved in any serious car crash in my entire life, within a single year I was involved in three collisions. None of them were judged my fault, but two of the crashes totaled my cars. Each instance involved the driver of a pickup pulling out blindly right in front of me leaving me no room to evade, and barely any time to brake.

I could have been killed in any of these wrecks, but somehow I walked away only bruised and scraped. I started getting used to the smell of air bag gunpowder.

After the second wreck that totaled my black BMW M Roaster, I disconnected from two antagonistic family members. My rationale was "it's sink or swim" -- a tombstone was looming with my name on it; push had come to shove, and I was not ready to die.

But I still felt strange. Then came wreck number three. You have to get how unlike me this was. I am one of those people who just "never has car accidents."

After that one, there was no one left to disconnect from that I considered "antagonistic." Until I finally met with Tommy Davis in Feb '09... one of the most entheta people I've ever met!

After a week of enturbulation and soul searching, I finally came to the conclusion: although it seemed to me to mean throwing away any possibility of ever continuing on up the Bridge, the only ethical decision was to throw off all the whole wrong condition assignments, the SP declare and turn the tables on David Miscavige & Co.

I followed LRH's formula embodied in Scientology 8-8008: the attainment of infinity by reducing the apparent infinity of the mest universe to zero, and increasing the apparent zero of my own universe to infinity. (I did the OT Doc course years ago and have studied almost every published LRH lecture).

Instead accepting the incorrect condition, I threw it off and assigned it to the correct source: David Miscavige & Co. Then I made the self-determined decision to disconnect from David Miscavige, Int Management and the Sea Org.

Since then: no accidents, no wrecks, no colds, no flu, no roller coaster. And since I started actually doing something about the CoS, the nightmares of being back at Int diminished by 95%.

I don't think I'm any different from anyone else. That's why I say I think anyone remaining connected with the CoS is gambling with their life and health.

And the silver lining was that since doing all that, I got started on my Brige and am now moving on New OT V in the totally safe environment of my own home.

I made the right decision and within months was moving on my Bridge again. As a comparative, I finished OT IV in 1986 and went off to join CMU which was part of Exec Strata (Int Management). So my actual stat is following DM: zero Bridge progress in 23 years. Following LRH: I got moving up the Bridge within about 3 months.

And NOTs in the safe environment of your own home, is truly INCREDIBLE!
 
 
# Trin 2010-03-14 17:01
That's inspiring to me.
 
 
# Maria 2010-03-14 20:31
I had a cycle at Flag in which I stated something was wrong, and I proved it with references. From there on, I was assigned an OSA goon, who made signed a lot of documents that I would never mention any thing in the internet under penalty of paying thousand of dollars, and I could not progress in the bridge. I can not be specific, because they would be able to identify me, and I do not want trouble, but it made me realize that Richard Reiss knows that certain actions are wrong, and orders them anyway, despite no personal gains to the pc, which makes me think that he knows the application of Scientology now is for money only. You can not indicate mishaps there, and be in good stand in Ethics as a true scientologist. You are a trouble maker if you find something wrong and prove to them.
 
 
# Tom 2010-03-15 07:44
1. Traditional Sea Org ethics is:

No Report - Liability
False Report - Doubt

So what does this say about the ethic level of DM and TD? The condition you fail to assign you get....as I recall someone saying.

2. ARCX's are a separate technology than PTS.

If you audit a PC over an ARCX, they GET WORSE.

If you audit a PTS, they get a gain, but roller-coaster.

If you are continually creating ARCX's and then enforcing a wrong why of "You are responsible for your condition", then I think you are attempting to overwhelm by force.


Your mileage may vary.
 
 
# Nancy P. 2010-03-15 09:06
Nancy Clitheroe. Will Long.
 
 
# Flourish 2010-03-15 10:32
On Feb 17th, a turning point, I was not only PTS to the CofM but also economic doom and gloom and was struggling financially. An annual meeting with approx 25 successful associates clearly portrayed they were flourishing and prospering. I said "Fuck the recession, I'm done with that and I'm going to prosper." Having disconnected from the Economic suppression caused by SPs, led me to disconnect from the CofM. I mean really disconnect, I announced in our household. In 3 weeks I made 37K and am continuing the roll. I've never had such a phenomenal resurgence from using the PTS/SP tech (and I was a fully hatted EO). My needle is literally floating as I have that exterior feeling. My energy level has skyrocketed, I look forward to great games ahead, I'm calm, cool and collected, my thinking is sharp in closing deals. In observing others, its now easy to spot the PTS's who are effect of SP's and I feel compassion for them. I can also spot SP's better and I DISCONNECT, DISCONNECT, DISCONNECT, keep them off my lines. If DM himself were to try and suppress me, I could face him and DISCONNECT, haha what a win! The cognitions just keep coming daily on how I've been held back from Suppression and not just within the CofM. I laugh to remember the day I would hide behind the curtain in fear, well no more. There is no way I could ever go on services at the CofM and endure the make-wrong, inval, out-tech handling and attempted control of my whole life. I saw M.K. recently who proudly announced that he was on his Clearing Course and didn't look VGI's at all, acted like he was on crack and had that haunted look with dark circles under his eyes, I was stunned. Clearly very PTS and controlled.
 
 
# Thoughtful 2010-03-15 04:53
Flourish that is a great write up. My own OT abilities skyrocketed like crazy after I left the Church. I literally seem to get everything I postulate. Life is grand again, as it was when I first got into Scientology. Well done to you.

Too many people are afraid to disconnect from the Church because they think they will lose something. Hell, they have everything to GAIN and only lose by staying connected.
 
 
# Flourish - Trin 2010-03-15 17:52
No idea, maybe some techie can answer but regardless of out-int, etc., disconnecting from suppression brought on a resurgence in OT abilities and exteriorization. You have to handle the suppression 1st before any lasting case gain can occur.
 
 
# FOS 2010-03-15 12:39
Thanks. That's pretty much along the lines of what I heard on that tape. I just couldn't recall the details. Your additional points makes sense too particularly on the loss point. That would be me big time.

Any suggestions for how to out-create that for lack of a better word?

Geezaz! I so need a repair.
 
 
# ButterflyChaser 2010-03-15 13:21
Nancy Clitheroe? I had no idea! Dammit! I really liked her! She was young, too. And with children.
 
 
# Flourish - Thoughtful 2010-03-15 17:54
Yes, is almost eery, I have another huge case I'm working this week and pulled in another today for next, they appear to falling into my lap but I know it's the resurgence in my abilities that is making it happen.
 
 
# nina bobi 2010-03-15 21:06
hello

Yes, Mario Villareal he was an older man he commited suicide in Acapulco Mexico

Jose Luis galicia is still alive he got prostate cancer he recovered then he got a heart attack and he is still around, he is off lines.
 
 
# FOS 2010-03-16 04:01
Quoting FOS:
Thanks. That's pretty much along the lines of what I heard on that tape. I just couldn't recall the details. Your additional points makes sense too particularly on the loss point. That would be me big time.

Any suggestions for how to out-create that for lack of a better word?

Geezaz! I so need a repair.



Hi!

First off, there is definitely a thetan to handle with mind then body. You should get yourself in session to handle whatever BPC, just ensure your C/S and auditor are doing things in your best interest, in other words, work with people you trust.

Concurrently, I'd suggest cleaning up the body. You can check out Richard Schulze Uncurables program or Jon Barron's whole body detox program (google those names).

Finally, I suggest PAB 6. If you have suppression on your lines you need to get it off your lines by whatever means. Change of environment, whatever. Takes walks because besides the potential to extrovert you, it also will help your circulation which is key to overcoming most illnesses.

If you have a loss ... short of getting in session which is suggested there is an assist someone can run on you daily. Loss of Person assist. "Look around here and find something that doesn't remind you of _______ (person)." Anyway, short of knowing more these are some routes I would suggest.

1) Loss assist and/or sessions by a good auditor
2) PAB 6
3) Daily walks, light exercise, good water to drink
4) Detox the body if you need it.
5) More enlightenment - get some LRH, listen to tapes, read books, go in session.

This can out-create most body situations that haven't progressed too far. Don't forget a PTS handling if there are illness/accidents there and work with your terminal/auditor on that.

FOS
 
 
# nina bobi 2010-03-16 08:27
Rosa Rodriguez she was flag course supervisor in the 80s she died from cancer.

miguel Arguello he was on solo nots he died from cancer 3 or 4 years ago he was a great artist painter,
 
 
# Tom 2010-03-16 08:35
I just want to comment directly on this PR line re: "DM is Scientology." Bluntly, no he is not.
But lets put a little more context to this. If I had to select 3 LRH books that I considered to be the Foundations of Scientology data, I would choose "Science of Survival", "Dianetics 55" and "Scientology 8-8008". From these 3 books one can derive most all of the other information. One would expect of a leader that they be literate in the subject that they are the leader of. To that end, I am reproducing an excerpt from "Dianetics 55" Chapter 3, The Awareness of Awareness Unit:

"In examining the individuality and identity of the individual one discovers that the individual if himself, and not his by-products.
The individual is not his analytical mind, he is not his reactive mind, he is not his body any more than he is his house or car. He
might consider himself to be associated with his analytical mind, his reactive mind, his house, his body, his car, but he is not these things. He is himself. The individual, the personality, is the awareness of awareness unit, and the awareness of awareness unit is the person. As this awareness of awareness unit confuses itself further and further with the pictures it has made of its surroundings it conceives itself more and more to be an object, until at last when it has gone entirely down the tone scale it
has arrived at the point where its fondest belief is that it is an object."

I believe this makes the point quite well.
If DM "is Scientology" then he is not aware of, or practicing Basic Scientology, and therefore not fit to "lead".

If he is an awareness of awareness unit, then he needs to correct the error of his ways. He can't have it both ways.
 
 
+1 # espritfree 2010-03-18 15:52
Chuck Lemmer (husband of Cathy Lemmer)a good friend of mine die of cancer at Golden Era Productions. He was on OT7 but was never allowed to continue his level (solo) while at the Int Base for about 7 years.
 
 
+1 # olddude 2010-10-27 23:17
I just found out about Chuck Lemmer's passing and broke out in tears. We were close frieds and worked in the HEM Department at GOLD base over Hemet Cal.(1987-1991). He was my best fried. Last time I saw him (before being kicked out the SO) he was doing well.
 
 
# DJH0131 2011-10-12 19:51
So sad to hear of Chuck's passing. I have NO connection with Scientology BTW, I just stumbled on this by searching for Chuck Lemmer. I have always wondered what happened to Chuck and Cathy. He was such a great guy, and we were good friends from about 1979-1986. Chuck and I worked together at Garrett AiResearch/AlliedSignal during that time. Chuck and Cathy lived in Torrance, California. I had no idea they were into Scientology. I would love to hear more about what he and Cathy were up to in the years before he died.
 
 
# connected 2010-03-18 15:56
Erl Newman SO member at the Gold base died of Cancer late 90'. He was OT4.
 
 
# EX GEM 2010-03-25 05:47
As an EX GEM (Golden Era Musician) it is with great sadness that I remind of and add to the list of casualties three dear, now departed friends -

1. Peter Lewis (originally a non-Scientologist Pro Sound Engineer) who became a Scientologist while working his butt off for the Church at Gold and Int Events all over the world. He was an on-lines public in LA when he was diagnosed with Leukemia after returning from a Maiden Voyage and died about a year later notwithstanding the hours of Scn Spiritual Counseling he paid for and received. Here was a man who, through his good nature and hard work had come to mean much and was very close to all musicians and Gold and Int Crew, dying and eventually dead with all care, concern or discussion about it frowned upon and discouraged at Gold by seniors and HCO. Talk about a time for grieving, I wish. It was like Peter was there one minute and then he was gone, no ceremony nothing. Cold.

2. Carl Anderson - The voice of Jesus Christ Superstar, Husband to Mohammed Ali's Ex wife and voice of several LRH and Scientology songs "Song Of The Bard" from the "Joy Of Creating" and Hymn Of Asia on CD and live concerts all over the world. A non-Scientologist who regularly and openly declared his love for LRH but could not reconcile that love with the sometimes harsh treatment he received at the hands of Gold and Int execs during his involvement with Golden Era Productions and so never became a Scientologist. Carl also contracted Leukemia and died in 2004. Carl Anderson was a Celebrity in every sense of the word, someone who was much respected and loved by Gold Musicians and Scientology public. Yet, his illness and death were hushed up at int and again no grieving was spoken of or encouraged. I remember Denise Friend receiving an invitation to and showing a desire to attend a memorial service for Carl and, well you can guess the outcome.

3. I will not linger on the loss of the Great Isaac Hayes a dedicated and very active Scientologist who was an on-lines CC Int public at the time of his death. What the hell happened there?

Not to minimize the loss of others who have seen friends and family disappear and wondered how is it possible? people in good-standing, paid up, on-lines receiving auditing, just kicking off, way before their time.

I just wanted to vent some of the personal pain and frustration I experienced at seeing such luminary figures in my own and Scientology's recent history depart my own Sea Org Member Golden Era Musician universe in such an unceremonious way with nary a chance to say good-bye or thanks.

Goodbye Peter, Carl and Isaac, thanks for your hard work and contribution and especially for being my friend and a friend to LRH and Scientologists all over the world.
 
 
# Archer 2010-03-25 19:11
You are so right, GEM. I actually didn't even know Peter died. He was a non-Scientologist, a kind, brilliant and stunningly handsome gentleman right out of GQ. As a sound mixer he was regarded as one of the best in the world, if not THE best... another senseless casualty due to the application of Reverse Scientology by David Miscavige. That is unthinkably horrible and deeply saddens me. Peter was kind during a time when I had few friends due to propaganda by David Miscavige.

Carl... the voice of Jesus Christ Superstar... without a memorial service.

"Great" is a word that is probably wasted on many people, but not on Isaac Hayes. Black Moses was a brother not just to African Americans, but to everyone. He was all about love and sang and wrote about it again and again...

"Hold On, I'm Coming"

Don't you ever, be sad
Lean on me, when times get bad
When the day come, and you know your down
In a river of trouble, your 'bout to drown

Hold on, cause I'm coming
Hold on, I'm coming

I'm on my way, your lover where
If your cold, I will be your cover
Never have to worry, because I am here
You don't need to suffer, cause I am near

Say
Hold on cause I'm coming
Hold on cause I'm coming
Hold on, cause I'm coming
Hold on, I'm coming

Lemme hear ya'll
You talk to me
For satisfaction, oh, hold on
Call my name, oh, call my name yeah for quick reaction
Yeah yeah yeah yeah

Oh don't you ever,
oh don't you ever, be sad,
I want you to lean on me, when times get bad,
When the day comes, and I know you been around,
In a river o' trouble, you you you you about to drown

Hold on I'm coming
Hold on cause I'm coming
Hold on cause I'm coming
Hold on I'm coming
(just hold on baby)
Hold on, I'm coming (here I come)
Hold on, I'm coming (take my hand)
Hold on, (don't you ever) I'm coming (here I come)


David Miscavige is Death's Deputy. LRH wrote about him.

Peter, Carl and Isaac are added to a long list of greats that include L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Sue, and more.

Enough already.

I think there are a few Fabian beings who scratch their heads at times and wonder why they are here. Then, when great evil threatens... suddenly it dawns on them why they are here. Why they've always been here. And why they will always be here.

How many beings belong to those ranks is unknown. But they are united by unbreakable bonds of trust, love, compassion, courage and victory against nature and impossible odds.

The draw their power from the inherent goodness of the entire 8 dynamics. It isn't a matter of "super powers," it's a matter of awareness and being in alignment with creation and therefore an instrument of good. Therefore their powers are and always will be greater than forces of destruction.

Perhaps the secret of Earth is that it is not just a prison planet. Perhaps it is also the chosen base for those "soldiers of light," loyal to humanity, trained in everything.

Or maybe it's all just idle thoughts.

Woe be to him who messes with a brother.
 
 
+1 # Trin 2010-04-21 09:01
That's not to say those cancer stats don't worry me.

Anyhow,to the purpose of my comment:
I have a friend who has refused to believe me on the declining stats.

So this friend actually went to Frisco, Nashville and Vegas Ideal Orgs where he was shown stats after asking by a staffer who compiles them at those orgs. He claimed the Church is not in decline and the stats are up; that there's amazing things going on such as execs from the casinos going into the Vegas Org and getting auditing.

Any comments? Just trying to reconcile contrary facts.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-03-12 22:07
I've been to the LV Org a couple of times. I saw maybe 10 students in the Academy. The other classrooms were completely empty.

Ronald
 
 
+1 # Thoughtful 2010-03-14 10:08
This post is about the reality of people dying, and the insanity of others who are so inconceivably mentally deranged, so utterly without scruples, so profoundly devoid of human responsibility that they would attempt to justify the slaughter of human life by citing interest in stats... and "exciting things" such as two unknown people from a casino who got some auditing in Las Vegas org. Nevermind that by stat, they are likely to end up dead if they only stay connected to the CoS.

I guess that guy just demonstrated how truly blind, deaf and DUMB the CoS minions are.
 
 
+1 # Annette 2010-05-15 18:10
I am not a member or ex-member, however I have followed scientology with horror for many years, knowing that the final outcome would not be good. My heart goes out to everyone who had the courage to say NO MORE and I support your efforts to enlighten humanity to this inhumane human, DM.

My question/comment: I'm an intuitive healer and work with energy (one modality of many). Everything I understand says that a condition such as cancer or any illness really, comes from the "outside in", in other words, it comes through layers of energy (spiritual, mental, emotional) before it manifests as physical. If the energy field of the body is constantly scrambled, it scrambles down to the cellular level, causing the dna to be effected and ultimately toxic.

With the combo of mind control/brainwashing, lack of sleep, abuse, lack of control of one's life and finally, constant small currents of electricity running through the body via the cans - this can indeed set up an opportunity to scramble all layers of the spirit body and go physical on the person.

The e-meter is an instrument that puts off EMF's, and I recommend that people educate themselves on the toxic nature of being close to or in constant contact with items that emit EMF's and the studies being done on illnesses possibly being connected to this contact such as lukemia and cancers.

Bless you for your work.
 
 
# Brenda 2012-05-13 00:51
Nathalie, don't remember last name, but she was OTIII and course sup at CCI. Died of lung cancer. Heavy smoker. Also, big one, Gloria Rush (Rusch?)--great singer, also CCI, married to John Novello. OT V at least. Some sort of digestive system cancer.
 
 
# muchhappiernow 2014-07-16 18:58
Ronnie (Ronnelle) Milner On CL VI Course, OT 7 Comp. "returned" to SEA ORG I cannot find cause of death anywhere. Veteran Sea Org member. Married to Terry Milner
 

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