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			<title>RE: ED Int Conversation</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-4627</link>
			<description><![CDATA[$25 to 30k for Scn DRD and HQS??????? You must be joking? The Purif, TR's and Obj's, and Scn DRD shouldn't be more that $500 and Hqs, even with Staff Status I and II, should be less than $1 grand. Your "freeloading" tab should be @ $6,000 and that's all.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Clyde</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:59:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>ex-Scientologist says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2350</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have been also treated like you. Also not been allowed to attend events, not allowed to volunteer in the translation unit, and also left the SO with no single step up the Bridge done, just some student auditing, post training and confessionals. What happened to "exchange"? What happened to the 2 1/2 hours study time each staff is entitled to? The Church is squirreling. Check this out: ...[DELETED: "ex-Scientologist" left a link here to a website by "Wise Old Goat" which has been flagged by Google as an attack site so is not safe to visit. - Thoughtful]]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ex-Scientologist</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 05:46:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>punch Imlach says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2446</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Moving Forward, Job well done. I wish you the best of luck.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>punch Imlach</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 23:57:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2442</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Punch -- thanks and trust me, no worries that I'll be going back and paying any 'freeloader' debt. I definitely consider it invalid and won't be giving any money to the CofM. I was just responding to Jim asking why I didn't 'negotiate' to pay less and gave the details I felt I could. There's certainly more to it than that. He misunderstood completely and thought I was trying to 'pay my debt by volunteering'. Not the case. He also seems to have missed the point completely on the arbitrary ostracizing and alter-is of policy coming from ED Int's office. But, sadly it seems he's unwilling to look for himself at what is really going on. Jim - I doubt very highly that you're going to read this, but if you do, you might want to step off of the defensive for just a moment and ask yourself if you truly think that SO members who serve for 10, 20 or 30+ years really deserve to be handed a huge bill, be prevented from going up the Bridge (after having made little to no Bridge progress while serving in the SO) and be ostracized completely by the very organization they'd dedicated their lives to.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:40:10 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Freeloader Debts</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2404</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Moving forward, don't bother paying a dime. From personal experience and having a debt that is way larger than yours or others that have posted on this thread the whole FLer concept is BS. Obviously, from other articles on this website and others, why give anything to an organization loaded with DMbots. And don't buy into any "deals" to get your debt reduced to zero, by doing so, you will be back to being a DMbot. Keep your individuality, it's more sacred than you think.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Punch Imlach</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 10:16:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2368</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I wasn't trying to 'pay my debt' by volunteering. I was volunteering because I wanted to contribute. I wasn't even doing it simply because I 'needed to do amends'. At the time, I was being told that I'd have to pay 75%, but I could possibly have negotiated paying about 50% *if* I'd been able to pay the full amount up front. That would have been about $25-30k. I was, due to a number of circumstances, not in a position to pay anywhere near that much. Now I've realized that it's pretty ridiculous that I, or almost any ex-SO member, would actually have to pay any amount. There is no debt owed by the vast majority of ex-SO members -- their exchange was more than in. (There may have been one or two who joined, immediately went onto full time training and then left, so I don't say 'all')]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:46:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>good going Marvin the Martian</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2384</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great story Marvin the Martian!! Keep up the good work! ARC, Alex]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AlexMetheny</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:51:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2383</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It is great to get that correct indication that you are most definitely *not* a freeloader. I'm glad that you got this. It's real change that this site and the others in this movement have affected. I have to say one thing: college degrees are all well and good, but they are not a requirement for a good job. In today's workplace, experience counts for a lot. Longevity with one workplace is a major bonus. I never even had a GED, but it never once came up. I definitely *used* my SO experience (I only had that and a few months of working at a company owned by Scientologists) on my resume and strongly encourage others to do so. I really think that those who don't consider that they can put together a resume using their SO experience are denying themselves great opportunities by just letting all of that work experience go to waste. I have run across very little intolerance -- discrimination in the workplace based on religion is illegal and that's taken seriously.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:00:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2382</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I know how it is... I'm still 'flying under the radar' myself, albeit probably getting closer and closer to that line every day. Not that I really care for my own sake, but for family that it would adversely affect. Until I can get them 'out of harms way' as much as possible, I will also have to try to remain anonymous. When I was still in the SO, I saw it happening and didn't fight it enough then. When I left, I saw others going through the same thing, but they drifted off lines again and I saw it as such a massive injustice. But, I can feel the fight coming back to me and that's something I had lost after this whole episode I detailed above.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:46:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>I\'ve been there</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2367</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I was in the SO for almost 7 years. I did a lot of admin training and walked out of the SO with a FL bill of 40K+. This is after joining at age 14 and leaving at 21. Luckily I had a GED, but no "wog" work experience, no college degree, making $10 an hour... How was I supposed to pay $40,000 off? So, I didn't pay a dime. Recently, however, I made contact with the IJC Office. They're apparently doing a huge "evolution" on FL debt reviews. They wanted me to buy a package of the new ACCs ($7,000) and they would wipe off my debt. However, I refused (quoting LRH finance policies on FP) and they finally forgot about selling me the package, but still wiped out my debt. All 40K GONE! Of course, it's kind of moot now because there's no way I'm going to give a single cent to the Cof$, let alone doing conditions to an enemy, but it was nice to have my dedicated time acknowledged.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Marvin the Martian</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:38:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>punchimlach says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2361</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Your article struck a chord with me as well because I experienced the exact same thing, even the ED INT response as well. Unfortunately I have not had the gut's to post the same comment(s) because of familial ... well, you can figure out the rest. But thanks for this. Really good.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>punchimlach</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:27:24 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>AlexMetheny says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2345</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Moving forward. That is just another sick example of what the CofM has become. I noticed the same thing with ex-sea Org and ex-staff too. I have seen ex-staff treated like garbage after dedicating 5 years of thier life (or more). Treated like they are "out-ethics, overts, etc." same old crap. Truth is, you are super upstat for doing anything to help out and should be treated as such. I am sure this is the trickle down effect from having an SP at the helm. ARC, Alex]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AlexMetheny</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:00:05 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2353</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Misha - thanks for this info. Up until a few weeks ago, I really had thought this came directly from him. I'd had a number of exchanges with him in the 90's that were very positive (one relating to international events constantly pulling people off post, lol) and so had always respected him. I know this story isn't the most revelatory, that all ex-SO have dealt with this kind of crap, but this obvious alteration of policy really got me -- coupled with the realization that if I had money it would all go away. I want to point out again that most SO members did not have this attitude, but had to tow the line because some of the more senior people did. A select few public witnessed some of this stuff and I know they completely disagreed with it. One OT VII wrote it up and several other OTs said they wanted to do something about it. I actually discouraged them from doing anything because I didn't want them to get into trouble over me.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:47:51 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Karen says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2352</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have seen this derogatory treatment of ex-SO on an others to others flow quite a few times. It's almost a no win situation. How can an SO member do ammends if he is not allowed to contribute. The only possibility is that the debt gets paid first before doing the conditions. That's just wrong.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:39:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>It is all about the money</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2344</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Its true they want the freeloader debt payed by money rather then volenteering. why didnt you negotiate a set6telment they would be glad for atleast 20% of you freeloder bill?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jim cherkas</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:56:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Freeloader debts</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2342</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Since at least the mid 70s, people who leave the sea org are treated very poorly, like turncoats, or traitors. The freeloader policy is used to maximally make them wrong. There is just no sane way to call someone a freeloader, when that person has worked the sea org schedule and often, for a number of years. When one understands that the freeloader debt, as it is applied, is used as part of the make-wrong punishment, only then does the behavior make sense. It serves also as a strong disincentive to quit the sea org and become a public person, and the longer one works in the sea org, the stronger the disincentive.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:39:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Misha says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/ed-int-conversation.html#comment-2341</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The response from ED Int was written by Marj Hopshide, SO #1 Unit, Senior Exec Strata. She answers all the letters to ED Int. ED Int himself was probably doing mest work and getting brainwashed and humiliated at the time by accusations of being a homosexual and other things in a building called "The Hole" at the Int Base. Things are just not what they seem or what they should be anymore at the Church. Rejection of your wholehearted contribution and help and violations of LRH policy fall in that category. I totally understand your disappointment.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:33:37 -0600</pubDate>
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