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			<title>Truth</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-2147</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi T, I have been a public sci for 16 years, a few years ago whilst on my grade 4 i suffered a lot of suppression from staff, they tried to recruit me to the S.O and used EVERY mean possible: messing with my auditing, interviews, disconnections form friends, sec checking me, lies, and ARC x ing the hell out of me and it came to a point where I was losing more then wining on my auditing, ( it cant be called auditing as the auditors code was broken so many times ) I finely cracked, I feel in to grief, I just couldn't stop crying for 2 days! Then I made a decision ( at the time I believed that my eternity is held by scientology ) I said to myself, the only statistic that counts in scientology is happiness, am I happy? I was more miserable then I had been in years, I was in a forgin country, with no real friends only ronbots, out of touch with life, I was living in la la land, I said if this is happiness I would rather be sad! I had wasted the best years (and a tone of money) of my life chasing some rainbow, I was too scared to "lose" this stable data, but inside I was out, I know in my hart the Ron would have never wanted this! And I know that scientology as I knew it was gone, dead, maybe it never really existed ( there is no doubt that the tech is powerful and works, but after a certain level for me it stopped producing maybe, because you cannot be free in the face of so much criminality in the orgs ) in any case I am no longer part of the "church" I consider myself a student of [censored]iloso[censored]y, I love Ron's works, but I allow myself to study other [censored]iloso[censored]ies, do meditation, and NLP, I am free to think for myself and choose what works for me, its harder when you need to research all by yourself! But I am free, I used to feel I was committing an overt by studying "other practices" it took me some time to realize I am allowed to think for myself. Concerning your dilemma, I am not "out of the closet" people still think I am in, they know I am disaffected, I don’t think that at this time "coming out" would do any good, as the church is 1.1 and truth is was up the tone scale around 3.0 and above, so no real conversation would do any good, I have tried in the past and I got "oh really? Who told you that" type of comm, so just do the math, the greatest good for you, will it bring more benefit for you to come out? If so, go for it. I think that in the cases of key figures it is essential for them to come out as they are opinion leaders, when I saw all my past "herous" coming out it helped me to see I am right and no just "full of overts" these are people I believe and respect. Before these key figures came out, all I could find on line was pure BS, such as xeno net and just pure bigotry and hatred, I believe that this site is the most truthful site there is for scientologists having internal doubts.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>some girl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:03:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Bravo!!!!</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-527</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Im en México, y yo había leído todo tuyo escribir nuevas empresas, y realmente admiro a usted. Toda su historia es grande. Lo que están haciendo inspirar a mis amigos mexicanos y anothers, thks mucho, para el efecto desPTS. Bravo !!!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:30:25 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Haydn says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-484</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Martin, truly appreciated. Sorry for the comm lag. Things moved on at such a pace I forgot to check this article. And thank you for flying the flag in the old UK. It's where my heart resides. I look forward to meeting up. I come to the UK once a year at least (have family there). We'll have to get together. Haydn]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Haydn</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Tom says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-462</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Nice post. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have been pursuing my religion outside the aegis of the RTC regime, as is my right as a free being. For this I was declared a Suppressive Person, and expelled from the "Church of Scientology", with no gradients applied. In the interview I had with the Ethics Officer, I spent over an hour outlining my wins both in auditing and in life using and applying LRH materials. I then outlined the differences I saw between the Applied Religious [censored]iloso[censored]y of Scientology that I originally joined, and what is now called "The Religion of Scientology based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard." Finally, I outlined my perceptions of David Miscavige, and how I arrived at the conclusion that he was an SP. And given that conclusion, it was "Handle or Disconnect". She told me that it was an incorrect observation. I had mentioned the death of Stacy Moxen Meyer (of which she was not only aware, but who her children and friends had been very close to) as being unconscionable in ANY setting, and by ANY measure of Scn Technology. (Get this now, this is an Org Ethics Officer...) She em[censored]atically stated that her death was an ACCIDENT. I just looked at her and asked her (not in a smart alecky way, but just kind of matter-of-factly) "And what does LRH say about accidents?" That was the end of that interview. Two days later she called me and asked to meet so she could hand me my declare. "We have to protect the group." was her statement. And so it goes. Her Confront of Evil (per HCOPL Ethics Officer, Character of)is completely nowhere, and she is in agreement with suppressive reasonableness in continuing to justify the out-tech, abuse and deaths being committed in the name of Miscavology and the "Golden Age of Tech".]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:17:55 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Panther says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-420</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Well I didn't have to wait very long! Wow - Haydn your write up is incredible. It's thrilling you are there. We met once actually at Birmingham Org in the 90s. The Org as it was then was legendary and the talk of the scientology world, in the UK at least. If you need or want anything from here don't hesitate to let me know. Your family are a credit to you and I wish you all every success. Your articles on this site are brilliant, insightful and laser accurate. Best wishes, Martin Padfield]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Panther</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:54:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Read your story</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-421</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey Kiddo, You say you paid off a $100,000 freeloader debt? Demand it back immediately. It is illegal to charge for on-the-job training in California. Just have a lawyer send a letter. Please don't feel bad about taking advantage. They have a lot of money piled up. The more you get, the less harm they can do to other people.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Eldon Braun</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:26:22 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Keeping Up says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-407</link>
			<description><![CDATA["I went independent very publicly on Marty's site recently" Panther...which Independent out of the closet poster were you? Just curious as usually once out, actual real names are used when posting. Thanks!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Keeping Up</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:34:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Panther says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-405</link>
			<description><![CDATA[All power to you. I went independent very publicly on Marty's site recently and it was liberating, which incidentally is exactly the word I used in answer to a local OT V who asked me how it was to ask "awkward" questions of OSA. I could equally have used words like "invigorating" "life-affirming" and many others which collectively could be known as being de-PTSed. Your articles are powerful and incisive. You will do fine whatever happens. The affinity and goodwill in the independent field is something I NEVER experienced in 28 years in DM's CofS. Can't wait to see your full write-up!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Panther</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:26:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thought provoking says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Your article is very inspiring and the references mentioned are quite applicable to anyone who is identity inhibited. I especially liked the part of relating the occurrence of fear to the making of an important decision. I actually felt that even just reading the internet these past few weeks. It has been ingrained that the stuff you read on the internet is evil, imagining the sec checks and lowers that would be the result of doing so. I had to remind myself that finding truth where there have been lies can never be considered evil. I have never doubted being a Scientologist but I am certain that I am no longer a member of the Church of Scientology as it currently stands. I will disseminate the info on this site as well as that from Marty's blog to those I can. Unfortunately, it is limited as I have been declared, but I do still have some comm lines I can reach. Thank you for all out there who have had the courage to persevere despite danger, kept their integrity in and made the truth known. LHR's tech is too precious to allow it to be degraded any more.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thought provoking</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:26:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Inky says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-403</link>
			<description><![CDATA[WSF, Your story is so similar to my own. "I am not cut out for this" is how I felt when I left staff. I felt things would get better if I wasn't there. I left staff in 92. I have been hiding for 17 years. Just a few right indications have lifted off these clouds and made me more myself, for which I am immensely grateful to Steve and Marty and Geir and T. Paine... and the list goes on. I feel brighter somehow =D But I do feel, as I did then, that I am powerless to speak up. But my willingness to speak up is not an issues (anymore!). I've shut myself off from so many Scientologists for all these years. My biggest burden seems, to me, to be how to help someone else jump that hurdle of reality. That's what I'm working on now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Inky</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:25:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>T Paine says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-395</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks RJ and Eldon. For the record: I am no longer under the radar, OSA know this without doubt and the rumor is that I am declared -- OSA's latest tactic, declare by rumor. I am simply putting the finishing touches to my declaration of independence article before going broadly public.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T Paine</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:17:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RJ says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-391</link>
			<description><![CDATA[T Paine I can totally understand if you want to stay out in the cold, just a while longer. Being a covert operative ain't a bad gig either :-)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:11:44 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Your livelihood</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-390</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I know this is third on your list, but it may be easy to handle. Check out the labor laws in your state ahead of time. Document whatever you can to demonstrate you've performed well in your job. And then, if your employer threatens to fire you because of your decision, say it's religious discrimination. Drag a lawyer into it and negotiate a settlement to tide you over until you can find a "wog job." You'll be happier out of there anyway, but there's no reason not to get a nice severance package.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Eldon Braun</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:01:20 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>T Paine says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-381</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Good for you WomanSetFree. I know the kind of feelings you are talking about though. A left the Int base only a matter of months after you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T Paine</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:18:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>T Paine says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-378</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, all I can say is that you are a true friend and I can't wait to meet again in person.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T Paine</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:33:24 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>T Paine says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-377</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Coming soon Truth-Truth, coming soon.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T Paine</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:29:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>jim logan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-383</link>
			<description><![CDATA[T. Paine, The power you generate with any beingness you assume is felt and appreciated and held in respect and even awe. Jim Logan]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jim logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:49:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>WomanSetFree says:</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-380</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I must say that when I first read/heard Mark Rathbun's story, my initial thoughts were: OMG, this must be exactly how normal Germans felt when they were told by invading Americans in WWII of the immense atrocities committed just down the road from them; of which they either had no direct knowledge or had convinced themselves were somehow justified. I left the Int Base in March of 1991 and while I had no direct knowledge of beatings, etc. I knew that something was not right and chalked it up to, "I am not cut out for this." I had decided that my purposes lay along other lines and convinced myself that if I got myself off Int lines then the out-tech and off-policy would have a chance to be solved by those with more wisdom and authority than I had access to. I now know that the situation did not improve but deteriorated, horrifyingly. I cannot help feeling responsible on some level for not doing more to help my fellow staff and only acting to save my own skin. On the other hand I have been told by those who know and love me that this is a burden perhaps that I should not take on. In any event I have decided that my silence has contributed to allowing corruption, off policy and out tech to flourish. I CAN do something about that, I CAN speak up.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>WomanSetFree</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:09:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>TRUTH</title>
			<link>http://www.scientology-cult.com/the-dilemma.html#comment-382</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This is a great post T.Pain. I always enjoy your writings and am glad to see you as part of the Independent Scientologist. You are very valuable to this team. What is your real identity?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TRUTH</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:40:30 -0600</pubDate>
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